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  Watchtower article about shooting at hall?

  by dkztcequ in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  does anyone know if it is mentioned in one of the old watchtowers about someone who made off with someones wife, both of whom were shot at the hall by the woman's husband?

  someone told me this was in a watchtower, but i cannot find it..

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  Bungi Bill

  Hecce,

  Thanks for that. It was the 1988 Watchtower "Shootout in a Church" story that I remembered.
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  2 witnesses told me the literature they were handing out were not religious

  by charity7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  two witnesses came to my door the other day and i politely told them that i was not interested.

  they told me that it was ok and that what they were handing out was not anything religious.

  i told them sorry and that i was still not interested.

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  Bungi Bill

  What was that about often-repeated scripture, "Jehovah hates a lie" ?

  But of course, it is only the hypocritical "Clergy Of Christendom" who engage is such capers as telling a few porkies whenever it suits them to do so! Otherwise, like Winston Churchill, it is not a lie, merely a "Terminological In-exactitude".
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  Watchtower article about shooting at hall?

  by dkztcequ in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  does anyone know if it is mentioned in one of the old watchtowers about someone who made off with someones wife, both of whom were shot at the hall by the woman's husband?

  someone told me this was in a watchtower, but i cannot find it..

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  Bungi Bill

  I do recall a story like this once being printed in either an Awake or Watchtower.

  However, that would have been back in either the late 1980s or very early 1990s (the incident that I remember, anyway). Certainly cannot now recollect which issue of Watchtower or Awake it was in!
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  Jehovah's people are not happy people

  by Phoebe in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i finally stopped attending the meetings about 4 months go.

  i won't be going back - ever.. but i've decided the best reply to the watchtower is to be happy and i do try to be happy every day even thought i wasted my entire life on this religion.

  i cherish every day, practice mindfulness and do my best to be content with the life i have.. it is only now that i see that most jws i know are deeply unhappy people.

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  Bungi Bill

  During the 23 years since I broke from the JWs, I have only known one person who was diagnosed as suffering from "Chronic Fatigue Syndrome" (CFS).

  This contrasts starkly with my final few years as a JW, where it was calculated that five percent of the publishers in our circuit were afflicted with CFS. Conspicuous amongst these were pioneers, elders (particularly those who were both elders and pioneers), and many others who were looked up to as outstanding in "their service to Jehovah". In other words, CFS tended to be a disease that particularly punished the more conscientious JWs.

  For those less familiar with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, one of its symptoms is a fearful, soul-destroying feeling of extreme depression. If you are unfortunate enough to succumb to this illness, one thing you aren't is happy! Furthermore, the standard JW cure-all for everything; i.e. more Field Service, more study of their propaganda, more meeting attendance etc. etc. etc. only further exacerbates the problem.
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  Hi from England

  by victimofdeceit in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  recently quit being a jw because i realised that beyond armageddon i was going to be ruled by people who cover up child abuse, not telling the congregations by their letter where the money they donated in the box is going towards paying compensation for legal battles which they caused, and also i was bullied by elders and discriminated against for being homosexual, even though i am not practicing it.

  it wasn't until i threatened legal action for a breach of confidence that the elders were deleted.

  so through the media and my own personal experience, i realised that they were no different to corrupt businesses in the world.

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  Bungi Bill

  Welcome to a group of friends, many (perhaps even most?) of whom have been through similar experiences as you.
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  Meeting attendance for elders

  by dkztcequ in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what is the minimum meeting attendace for someone, who is of good health, has not children doesn't work in a job that requires travel and lives about 3 miles from the kh?

  is 50% for clam and 75% for watchtower acceptable?.

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  Bungi Bill

  Knowing the way that lot works, probably 110%!
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  When do you think the 7 clowns will add more members to the exclusive GB club ?

  by Chook in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  will they draw a new name out of a hat or do a kiss test i don't know..

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  Bungi Bill

  always being a company "yes" man, seem to be the main premises

  Come on, be fair - not always a "Yes" man.

  He did say "No" whenever the boss did!
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  Why Are More JWs Claiming to be Anointed?

  by Ding in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  most jws i know claim they are happy being in the great crowd.

  they'd rather live on a paradise earth and pet lions than go to heaven.. heaven is a place they can't relate to, a place where they don't expect their friends and loved ones to be.. so why are more and more jws claiming to be of the anointed?.

  aren't they looked down upon as if they are crazy, proud, ignorant, or engaging in apostate thinking?.

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  Bungi Bill

  ttdtt

  
  

  To that, add a generous measure of mental illness, and the numbers of "anointed are" almost guaranteed to increase!

  Certainly, my experience with those more recently "partaking of the emblems" has been that they are usually suffering from some sort of mental illness.
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  Karl Marx Genius Of The Modern World

  by Brokeback Watchtower in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  he was all for getting rid of religions and their delusions for the betterment of mankind.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mydmc1wio8.

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  Bungi Bill

  MMM,

  I read that link you mentioned about leaking buildings, but there is still more to be said about the regulatory regime (or lack of it) during those years.

  The move here in the early 1990s was away from "prescriptive" to "light-handed" regulation of industry (sometimes referred to as "self-regulation"), in which the law stated what must be done, BUT ......... not how to do it. This was in accord with the Free Market ideas that were still dominant in business and government.

  With regards to the weatherproofing of buildings, the 1992 Building Regulations only stipulated three things:

  (i) That the building must be able to last for at least 50 years

  (ii) That the roof must last for at least 15 years

  (iii) That both walls and roof must be waterproof.

  Nowhere did the 1992 regulations make any attempt to tell builders how to achieve these requirements. This was "Light-handed" Regulation in practice, leaving such matters to that buzz-phrase of the time, "individual choice".
  
  

  The standard that you mention (NZS 3604) is not even cited in the 1992 Building Regulations. Rather than being a "Government" document, this and other such standards were compiled by the Standards Council of New Zealand - an organisation that fulfilled a similar role to the American National Standards Institute (ANSI). On their own, such standards had (and still have) no legal binding. That only takes place if the standard is stipulated in legislation.

  For a very thoughtful discussion on this whole matter , Brian Easton's Regulatory Lessons from the Leaky Home Experience is a worthwhile read. (Easton is a well known New Zealand economist, who has been involved with the writing of more than 30 books. His observations about regulatory failure and the leaking building issue can be accessed on the following link. http://igps.victoria.ac.nz/publications/files/aea9bc2e751.pdf )

  During those years of the late 1980s / early 1990s, attempts to implement Free-Market reforms in this country resulted in much mayhem, but failed to bring about economic recovery. One could certainly write a book about that on its own, and Prosperity Mislaid by Leonard Bayliss is one such informative work. (Again, Bayliss can write with considerable authority. A graduate of Cambridge University, he was an economist with the Reserve Bank for 15 years, before becoming the Chief Economist for the Bank of New Zealand, a position he held for a similar period. Later still, he served as a board member of that same bank).

  Not that you need the likes of an economist to tell you about the mayhem that "Rogernomics" caused. You only need to drive around the former forestry towns in the Central North Island to see that some of its legacy is still ongoing (that is, if you are brave enough and your stomach is up to it!)

  PS: During that same time, our industry (electrical) likewise went the "Light-handed" regulation way. Thankfully, though, they woke up to themselves in time before a similar disaster as this afflicted the electrical industry.
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  First Humans May Have Been European

  by cofty in

  1. social
  2. current

  the fossil record of early hominins in africa is very well established with patterns of later migrations into asia and europe.

  the hypothesis is sometimes referred to as "out of africa".. however a new paper from researchers at the university of toronto describes two fossil specimens of an even earlier ancestor graecopithecus freybergi who lived 7.2 million years ago, putting it close to our common ancestor with chimpanzees.

  crucially these fossils were not discovered in africa but in greece and bulgaria.. the team are proposing that environmental changes that led to the formation of the sahara pushed the ancestors of graecopithecus freybergi further north towards the eastern mediterranean where the chimp-human split occurred.. this hypothesis is likely to be controversial for all sorts of reasons!.

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  Bungi Bill

  Interesting, but perhaps a bit too early to be conclusive?